Diskite:IMMAGINE&POESIA

Should be deleted

Fichye:Ferlinghetti meets Immagine&Poesia representatives.jpg

Photoshopping to claim a connection

This article is part of a cross-wiki campaign to promote the movement. The article is already deleted on english, french, german, swedish, norwegian and even on the italian (!) wiki, and is discussed other places as well.

Most part of the campaign is performed by only 3 users - who hasn't written about many other things on Wikipedia:

• Angler45,
• Alessandroga80 and
• Aeron10

Please also note that this picture, that is a part of the cross wiki campaign is a hoax; photoshopped to give the impression that two representatives from I&P met the known poet Ferlinghetti. See commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ferlinghetti meets Immagine&Poesia representatives.jpg, and ask Angler45 for an explanation. Bw --Orland (discussion) 12 mas 2016 à 12:16 (UTC)

Should be kept

Never seen such a cross-wiki-attack coming from one User: Orland. The article has been on Wikipedia since 2011. The meeting with poet Ferlinghetti was real and arranged by his spokesman Garrett Caples and was also documented in Italian newspaper La Stampa [[1]] The photo is not a hoax, but a photoshop improvement of the original photo that was not professional enough for uploading on wiki as Angler45 explained. The page is not promotional as it only tells the story of the Movement. When it was deleted on some of the mentioned wikis a book about the Movement was not published yet---Oberon12 (discussion) 15 mas 2016 à 07:46 (UTC)

Please note that Oberon12 is an almost fresh user, woken from 3-4 years of slumber, only to engage in this discussions. This must be understood as if the four previous contributors engaged in this article worldwide (Angler45, Alessandroga80, Aeron10 and RiverTeifi) are burned as Single Purpose Accounts.

If there really was a "original photo that was not professional enough", the easiest thing in the world would be to provide this picture now. Please do.

I do not read italian, but according to google translate, the article in La Stampa describes a meeting between only Chiarelli and Ferlinghetti, with no mention of the "movement" we are discussing here. Wheether Chiarelli and some other italian person really met Ferlinghetti i 2013 does anyway not establish any notability for the movement as such. It is more interesting that Angler45 believed that this photo could be such an important evidence that he had to "improve" it.

Within the Wikipedia system, the basic principle is that the contributors must provide reliable sources for their contributions. This has not been done in this case so far. The most remarkable thing about this, is not that questions are raised now, but that they haven't been asked before. If our concerns were false, and the arguments and sources of the defenders were good enough, this article would have been kept as a good article. Instead, the number of articles have fallen from 69 languages to 29 in two weeks. That is not my work alone, that is a series of independent decisions by different administrators.

Oberon12 tries to establish me as the problem (forgetting K9re11 and swedish sysop Hangsna) Such accusations is an old strategy, and I've met them before, in some of the other cross-wiki-spamming campaigns I've fighted. You can read about them on my en:wp user page: en:User:Orland. I can't blame Oberon12 for not knowing that cross-wiki-spam is quite common on Wikipedia, but they are, and there are several of us trying to deal with it.

@Orland: Congratulations for this amazing result!

With your help, a page re Culture, Art and Poetry has been destroyed in many wikis and will be in others. With the page you have also destroyed the message of Peace and cooperation among peoples of different cultures, a message in which artists and poets of the movement had believed. Next time before proposing the deletion of an article please read and understand the content better. As to the independent reliable sources, articles from poetry reviews of different countries have been added; on your request another photo of the meeting with Ferlinghetti has been uploaded. What's more ?--Oberon12 (discussion) 17 mas 2016 à 07:23 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a "cross-wiki-attack" here, Oberon12. This is just good old administrator work to defend the credibility of Wikipedia from being used for promoting someones interests. Please stick to the matter: provide good sources. And; if you can't convince italian Wikipedia to keep an article about the movement, that is not a good token. Bw Orland (alderique) 23:00 15 mar 2016 (UTC)

@Orland, Oberon12, ak WhisperToMe : The subject of the article has no verifiable secondary sources, is not yet notable and involves living people. I believe the article should be removed until the subject is described by a reliable secondary source. —LLarson (di & fè) 16 mas 2016 à 23:23 (UTC)

I've transcluded this to Diskisyon Wikipedya:Paj pou efase. (I do not understand why anyone would care whether Person X did or did not meet Person Y in a particular place. Surely all sorts of people have met this person.) WhatamIdoing (discussion) 17 mas 2016 à 04:32 (UTC)