Diskisyon Itilizatè:LLarson

Welcome!

I had just been thinking about leaving a note for you at the English Wikipedia, to see if you would join us here, and here you are already! Thank you for joining us. The Haitian Creole Wikipedia needs your help. If you need help, then feel free to leave a note on my talk page or start a discussion at the Wikipedia:Kafe. We're a friendly group here, so come say hello! WhatamIdoing (discussion) 3 fevriye 2016 à 03:06 (UTC)[reponn]

@I: Mèsi anpil. I’m happy to be here. The hardest part for me will be my Kreyòl brize!

Mèsi —LLarson (di & fè) 8 fevriye 2016 à 17:48 (UTC)[reponn]

Kreyòl brize means that you have more Kreyòl than me. ;-) Arsendis seems to be pretty good, but she doesn't claim to be perfect. There's so much to be done. What's your favorite subject? I like medicine (so does User:MdmPaj) and education myself, but I'm mostly useful here in the background. WhatamIdoing (discussion) 9 fevriye 2016 à 04:48 (UTC)[reponn]

@I: Awesome! My interests are all over the place: dictators, Forteana, law, computer science, language, politics, places I’ve been... In the past year on Wikipedya nan angle I’ve been doing a lot of grunt work like reference validation. I really wasn’t aware of how often I use templates there; very few of them are here so far. (Bonjou I ak I!) —LLarson (di & fè) 9 fevriye 2016 à 19:02 (UTC)[reponn]

I should get back to one of my original projects, which was finding out what templates exist.

BTW, have you ever tried the visual editor? The mw:citoid auto-filling ref service has been plugged into it, so it's a couple of clicks to decent refs in many cases. I don't think it's enabled here yet, but perhaps I can help with that. WhatamIdoing (discussion) 10 fevriye 2016 à 17:14 (UTC)[reponn]

@I: I just tested the VisualEditor for the first time in a while; it seems like a great candidate for migration to Wikipedya! :) —LLarson (di & fè) 11 fevriye 2016 à 17:29 (UTC)[reponn]

Well, if we want the citation autofiller to work, then it means setting up several sets of machine-readable documentation, all written in w:en:JSON, which is the most remarkably brittle format of my recent acquaintance. Probably the easiest thing to do is to swipe it all (or nearly all?) from the English Wikipedia and try to match it up to any existing Haitian parameters in the templates. I wonder if we should update the w:en:WP:CS1 modules while we're at it. (Does this sound like "get all the pain over with at once" or "have a longer list of reasons to procrastinate further" to you? ;-) WhatamIdoing (discussion) 12 fevriye 2016 à 06:27 (UTC)[reponn]

@I: I was thinking the same thing about one of the CS1 modules. I agree that JSON editing is no fun, but I’d be happy to get started. Which places on the English Wikipedia would you be swiping from exactly?

Mèsi —LLarson (di & fè) 12 fevriye 2016 à 16:39 (UTC)[reponn]

{{cite web}}, {{cite news}}, {{cite book}}, and {{cite journal}} are already here, but the versions are from a couple of years ago. So w:en:Template:Cite web, etc., (including the documentation page, which has the TemplateData) would be the thing to swipe from, to get the updates. We'd also need the current version of the module that runs the back end, w:en:Module:CS1 (might require admin assistance to edit that page). Once we have everything here, we can Move the Cite templates to Haitian page names (and maybe make redirects for French and Spanish, too).

Then we need to set up the citoid stuff. mw:Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki has the directions, but they look... perhaps less than ideally clear. Perhaps we'll "test drive" the documentation and see if we can improve it in the process.

Our process will look something like this:

Step 1: Update the templates and copy over the documentation (at least the TemplateData part of the /doc page).
Step 2: Get User:WhisperToMe to copy w:en:MediaWiki:Visualeditor-cite-tool-definition.json to the local MediaWiki:Visualeditor-cite-tool-definition.json. This should be a straight-up copy job, although you or User:Arsendis give him translations for the "Name" field if you want. --> At this point, the citation templates will be present in the visual editor's Cite button, but there will not be an "Automatic" option yet.
Step 3: Turn on Citoid. This should mean copying what the English Wikipedia already has, but we could figure out whether anything else needs to be done when we're closer to that time.

I'd like to see whether we can get this done in the next week – maybe so WTM can do step #2 on Tuesday or Wednesday? To get us started, I think I'll go swipe the TemplateData documentation. It'll all be in English, but that's okay for now; we can translate it later. WhatamIdoing (discussion) 13 fevriye 2016 à 19:06 (UTC)[reponn]